00:57:58 David Thomas (he/him): Starting the chat! Nice to have you here @Tracy Smith :) 00:58:28 Tracy Smith: Thank you, David; I couldn't find the icon. 00:59:00 David Thomas (he/him): Reacted to "Thank you, David; I ..." with 👍 01:06:31 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): - What’s your name? Where are you from? - What does ‘music’ mean to you? 01:12:21 Nathan: @Tracy Smith that was so wonderful, every line of that was quotable 01:12:35 David Thomas (he/him): Reacted to "@Tracy Smith that wa..." with 🙌 01:21:13 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): What does music mean to you? (1/2) - Grant: “tapping into some kind of fundamental life force” - Danu: “a universal language that gets everyone to drop their armour” - Nicholas: “my life. My most fluent language.” - Tracy: “It’s transcendent. It’s string theory. It’s the universe. I came to god through math and what a sense of humour.” - Vincent: “It’s unexpected. And it’s about the internal vibrations of what music does to your inner organs.” - Peter: “I trained as an opera singer. I don’t have a good ear but it’s a physical thing. Singing is about what you can do with your body.” 01:21:24 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): What does music mean to you? (2/2) - Brittany: “A somatic body-moving experience. It’s about how it makes me feel and attuning the body to what we’re hearing.” - David: “Music can always help me tap into deep heavy feelings or scratch whatever itch I’m feeling” - Colin: “A viscerally felt thing. I use dance to process emotions. Music starts in the gut and goes out from there. It’s relational - it has me asking ‘what would the music be like’ for whatever situation.” - Nathan: “Music is inspiration that transcends function and comes from the divine or beyond - it’s for its own sake. Etymologically, it’s the work of the muses.” 01:21:32 Tracy Smith: The whole world was in tears & tune during Fast Car @ the Grammy's. A shared feeling 01:23:04 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): - What’s a musical experience you had that felt transcendent? 01:29:04 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): 4’33 survived the recent purge of UMG content from TikTok with all irony intact 01:46:39 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): God Only Knows is my favourite song. I can make myself cry playing it on piano pretty regularly 01:46:53 Tracy Smith: Reacted to "God Only Knows is my..." with ❤️ 01:47:11 Nicholas Caparso: Reacted to "God Only Knows is my..." with ❤️ 01:47:32 David Thomas (he/him): Reacted to "God Only Knows is my..." with ❤️ 01:48:25 Vincent: I gotta go sadly but I will surely listen to the recording. Thank you Grant! I also wished to share this Ted talk that you are all going to enjoy I think: https://youtu.be/2zvjW9arAZ0?si=xLPJ3ndOY86091WP Ok bye 01:50:32 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): You know it’s good when Colin is getting stank face at the recollection 01:50:55 Grant Swift: Reacted to "You know it’s good w..." with 😃 01:51:19 Tracy Smith: Reacted to "You know it’s good w..." with 😂 01:51:53 Nathan: I’m curious about the themes of Improvisation vs. Composition that are emerging — what very different neurological and experiential territories they are, tho not ultimately unrelated 01:58:28 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): https://web.archive.org/web/20240209003810/https://www.thedailybeast.com/music-criticism-has-degenerated-into-lifestyle-reporting 02:00:13 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): - How do you feel about Ted Gioia’s article? What does/doesn’t resonate? Does he have a point? - How does this way of talking about music compare to the transcendent experience of listmusic you shared earlier? 02:25:23 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): “Writing about music is like dancing about architecture” I would love to see Colin dance about architecture and whether he asks ‘what would this building dance like? 02:25:58 Forest: Reacted to “Writing about music... with "😂" 02:26:04 David Thomas (he/him): Reacted to "“Writing about music..." with 😂 02:26:17 Colin Mosgrove: Reacted to “Writing about music... with "😂" 02:26:25 Colin Mosgrove: I'd do the Sagrada Familia 😆 02:26:43 Brittany Cole (she/they): Reacted to "I'd do the Sagrada F..." with 💯 02:26:47 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): Reacted to "I'd do the Sagrada F..." with 💯 02:26:48 peter: Reacted to "I'd do the Sagrada F..." with 🎉 02:30:55 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): Tangentially, something else happens with games. All the reviews/criticism is about graphics/sound/controls - the game itself but wholly technically - and not about the experience of the game or gameplay. So which is the game itself? 02:31:18 David Thomas (he/him): Reacted to "Tangentially, someth..." with 🤔 02:31:26 David Thomas (he/him): Reacted to "I'd do the Sagrada F..." with 🎉 02:32:41 Tracy Smith: Danu ... That's how Bentley talks about games ... unless there's a story line, in which case THAT's the main part of the game. 02:33:05 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): Reacted to "Danu ... That's how ..." with 🤔 02:34:26 Brittany Cole (she/they): Fiona Apple has a line where she sings “nothing wrong when a song ends in a minor key” 02:34:32 Nathan: Sidebar on a previous topic — I think the concept of “the song itself” is more slippery now than it once was — recording technology has changed the shape of composition, especially in sample based music. Granted one can recreate samples and perform it live, like some bands do of classic hip-hop beats — but the question of what’s the essence of the song is a technologically contingent one in a certain sense 02:36:18 David Thomas (he/him): My Dad got me into The Kinks as a kid! So good. 02:36:23 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): You REALLY got me with that comment 02:36:28 Grant Swift: Reacted to "My Dad got me into T..." with ❤️ 02:36:33 David Thomas (he/him): Reacted to "You REALLY got me wi..." with 🤣 02:36:44 Tracy Smith: Not if you did the 60's ... there was tons of great bands. 02:36:58 Nicholas Caparso: Reacted to "Not if you did the 6..." with ❤️ 02:37:10 Nathan: The Beatles are not underrated 02:37:12 Brittany Cole (she/they): Reacted to "You REALLY got me wi..." with 🤣 02:37:16 David Thomas (he/him): Reacted to "The Beatles are not ..." with 🙌 02:38:00 Forest: Reacted to I'd do the Sagrada F... with "💯" 02:38:19 Colin Mosgrove: How do you spell her name? 02:40:10 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): There is reverse snobbery too 02:40:22 Nicholas Caparso: Reacted to "There is reverse sno..." with 👍 02:40:22 Tracy Smith: Reacted to "There is reverse sno..." with 👍 02:43:25 Forest: Thank you Pythagoras 02:43:37 Nathan: Replying to "Thank you Pythagoras" Yes indeed! 02:44:19 Nathan: Can we talk about Just Intonation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_intonation 02:44:52 Brittany Cole (she/they): Replying to "Can we talk about Ju..." Yes, this reminds me of modal sound versus scales 02:45:08 Colin Mosgrove: Also reminds me of the overtone series 02:45:14 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): Replying to "Can we talk about Ju..." The moral language of ‘even-tempered’ and ‘just’ intervals is wild to me 02:45:51 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): Replying to "Also reminds me of t..." Undertones of overtone 02:49:32 Forest: Reacted to I'd do the Sagrada F... with "🎉" 02:51:00 Nathan: SEND US THAT LINK 02:51:32 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tRAkWaeepg 02:51:45 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): Geeking out over Adam Neely is how my conversation with Grant began! 02:51:47 Brittany Cole (she/they): Reacted to "The moral language o..." with 💯 02:52:04 Forest: Reacted to Geeking out over Ada... with "👍" 03:02:01 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): 🙏 MAKE A DONATION (OPTIONAL) https://donate.stripe.com/4gweWRcsB0gIcmc6oB No obligation - a donation is totally optional (but appreciated!) Donations are shared 70/30 between the workshop host and Grokkist respectively.\ 03:05:46 Forest: Neely also talks about theory in a very accessible way 03:07:23 Forest: 12tone also 03:07:32 Grant Swift: Reacted to "12tone also" with ❤️ 03:07:34 Brittany Cole (she/they): I’d also love to play together a bit…maybe weaving in some call and response songs or simple fun musical games could be fun 03:07:49 Nicholas Caparso: Reacted to "I’d also love to pla..." with ❤️ 03:08:44 Forest: Him and polyphonic also have a podcast called Ghost notes that discusses the more musicological aspects 03:09:19 Tracy Smith: Reacted to "I’d also love to pla..." with ❤️ 03:10:42 Nathan: My friends I have to head out but THANK YOU ALL! I appreciate each one of you <3 <3 <3 03:10:48 David Thomas (he/him): Reacted to "My friends I have to..." with ❤️ 03:10:50 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): Reacted to "My friends I have to..." with ❤️ 03:10:50 Brittany Cole (she/they): Reacted to "My friends I have to..." with ❤️ 03:10:53 Forest: Reacted to My friends I have to... with "❤️" 03:11:55 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): https://network.grokk.ist/c/events-and-meetups/opening-the-door-to-heart-centered-knowing 03:12:15 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): https://network.grokk.ist/c/events-and-meetups/free-your-mind-with-neural-magic 03:12:40 Danu Poyner (Grokkist): Want to lead your own grassroots workshop? Details here: https://network.grokk.ist/c/ways-to-get-involved/lead-a-grassroots-workshop 03:14:53 Forest: GN!